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Posts: 123 (04/13/08 20:01:23) |
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Posts: 76 (04/14/08 08:52:22) |
It would be more impressive if they hadn't kept PZ Myers from watching their screening. It might also be more interesting if it wasn't a bunch of
creationist lies repackaged into yet another new form.
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Posts: 502 (04/14/08 11:12:26) Regular Type |
But... lies and half-truths repackaged is the only thing creationists have, isn't it? That and the first two chapters of Genesis.
Religion is regarded by the common people as true, by the wise as false, and by rulers as useful.
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Posts: 77 (04/15/08 10:02:56) |
Seems like they have PR outlets and Ben Stein as well. That's Ben Stein man the guy who's known because of a Comdey Central show where people could
"win" his money. Why he knew so many pieces of trivia so he must know something about science right?
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Posts: 50 (04/15/08 16:36:03) |
Why he knew so many pieces of trivia so he must know something about science right? It would seem he's willfully ignorant... http://www.britannica.com/blogs/2008/02/how-low-can-ben-stein-go/
Now, saunter over to my place,
kick off your shoes and just relax! Whatever Floats Your Boat at... Atheism and more: http://atheism.yuku.com
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Posts: 125 (04/16/08 12:22:10) |
Ben Stein isnt claiming to be a scientist. Just like how most of you people arent scientist. You dont have to be a scientist to know things about science.
Richard Dawkins isnt a theologian but he still has a right to shit on religion if he wants to. You are just attacking Ben Stein because you have nobody else to
be mad at. This may surprise you but Morgan Freeman isnt a zoologist but did you complain we he made March of the Penguin? No. Al Gore isnt a Meteorologist but
he knows whats he's talking about when it comes to global climate change. Why dont you get mad at the professors that are getting fired for questioning
evolution. Atheist hate people who question evolution and I know this from first hand experience.
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Posts: 503 (04/17/08 00:30:56) Regular Type |
There is not a single person on the planet who challenges evolution because of scientific facts. The only people who challenge the validity of
evolution are those who do so because of a theological position.
Eppur si mouve. Religion is regarded by the common people as true, by the wise as false, and by rulers as useful.
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Posts: 504 (04/17/08 05:18:17) Regular Type |
Religion is regarded by the common people as true, by the wise as false, and by rulers as useful.
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Posts: 126 (04/17/08 08:32:41) |
Im not sure he is challenging evolution. From what I see of the trailer it appears that the film is about mistreatment of professors and scientist and such who
do challenge it. I doubt that Ben Stein does any debating over the issue.
Not only religious people Rambo...there are people who believe that aliens created us and some of those people challenge evolution as well. 
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Posts: 78 (04/17/08 09:15:37) |
WordClock wrote:For the same reason that I don't get mad at people who claim to be visited by the Keebler elves. There pretty much aren't any... I doubt that Ben Stein does any debating over the issue.He seems to confine himself to the standard Darwinism is evil because of the age of imperialism and Social Dariwnism which had nothing to do with the actual theory... Is anyone here going to see this movie?I wacthed about 5 minutes and then dropped it. It is about as honest as a three dollar bill. So when do you think these people will crack open a Biology book and study? |
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Posts: 127 (04/17/08 14:19:34) |
So when do you think these people will crack open a Biology book and study?
Ha. These collage professors do read biology books. Maybe the theory isnt as air tight as you think. 
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Posts: 505 (04/18/08 00:00:29) Regular Type |
Yes, it is. The only people "questioning" evolution are doing so because of a theological position - which of course shows that religion and science
are in conflict.
You are a dishonest creationist troll. If you weren't you would be able to see creationism for the parcel of lies it is. Of course to be a creationist like Ham, Gish or Hovind you have to know that creationism is all lies anyway. Religion is regarded by the common people as true, by the wise as false, and by rulers as useful.
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Posts: 637 (04/18/08 02:46:33) No, I won't just shut up! |
You are just attacking Ben Stein because you have nobody else to be mad at.Oh, please. I personally am mad at at least fourteen people right now...fifteen if you count the borderline annoyance I'm skirting in your case...and next to Rambo, I'm a rank amateur. Atheist hate people who question evolution and I know this from first hand experience.Nobody here got mad at you for questioning evolution. We got mad at you for parroting silly creationist arguments and ignoring facts about evolution. Also, try not to toss the h-word around quite so freely. It's much too melodramatic. From what I see of the trailer it appears that the film is about mistreatment of professors and scientist and such who do challenge it.Well, since that "mistreatment" didn't happen, I suppose you could classify the film as Unscience Fiction. It's certainly not a documentary. Mac
"It is a mistake to think you can solve any major problems just with potatoes."~ Douglas Adams
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Posts: 436 (04/18/08 04:32:08) Veteran Who Just |
I intend to see the movie... I guess it will be a cople of weeks from now, though. Those of you speaking badly about the movie -- do you plan to see it?
As the light changed from red to green to yellow and back to red again, I sat there thinking about life. Was it nothing more than a bunch of
honking and yelling? Sometimes it seemed that way. -Jack Handy
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Posts: 638 (04/18/08 04:55:55) No, I won't just shut up! |
I'll see it when I can get it free online or from a secondhand rack somewhere. I object to Ben Stein in general and won't put money in his pocket.
However, from what feedback it's gotten already, I'm almost certain it's going to be same-old, same-old. Anything which labels evolutionary biology
as "Darwinism" and which purports to question evolution itself has so far proven to be creationist gibberish. The Intelligent Design crowd uses
polysyllabic language, but it's still gibberish.
Mac
"It is a mistake to think you can solve any major problems just with potatoes."~ Douglas Adams
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Posts: 437 (04/18/08 05:22:12) Veteran Who Just |
Well... I would guess that it will be available to you fairly soon. I don't think it will be a huge box-office hit. My hope is that it actually discusses
the treatment of people who do not ascribe to the prevailing view... but we'll see, I guess.
As the light changed from red to green to yellow and back to red again, I sat there thinking about life. Was it nothing more than a bunch of
honking and yelling? Sometimes it seemed that way. -Jack Handy
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Posts: 639 (04/18/08 05:27:36) No, I won't just shut up! |
My hope is that it actually discusses the treatment of people who do not ascribe to the prevailing view...That's the claim. However, it seems the people discussed haven't been mistreated at all. You might want to check out the link I posted. Mac
"It is a mistake to think you can solve any major problems just with potatoes."~ Douglas Adams
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Posts: 438 (04/18/08 07:17:01) Veteran Who Just |
For the record, I believe that evolution is almost certainly true and I support it being taught in public schools. That being the case, I hope NOT to get any hate posts relating to the idea I am about to post. I read parts of the information you provided in the link, Mac. Very interesting stuff. If this movie says anything about NOT teaching evolution in public schools then I think it's just a bunch of whacko crap. However, the NCSE's stated objective is to defend the teaching of evolution in public schools. I would expect them to have a negative bias toward any idea that doesn't fit very neatly into their position - which may not be completely defined in the web site (www.ncseweb.org). It is not clear at this point (at least to me) whether or not this movie is calling for the teaching of evolution to be abandoned in public schools. The NCSE may present an unfairly biased position against the movie, even though it isn't even released until this afternoon. Maybe everyone should look at both sides and try to determine what the movie is really about and whether or not "thought discrimination" is taking place. I understand the emotion behind the objections - maybe they are warranted, but maybe they are not. I'm looking forward to seeing it. And I appreciate the link. I intend to send it to the
other people that plan to see the movie with me. We have already decided to spend time at Starbucks discussing it afterward. (Now we just need to determine a date!)
As the light changed from red to green to yellow and back to red again, I sat there thinking about life. Was it nothing more than a bunch of
honking and yelling? Sometimes it seemed that way. -Jack Handy
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Posts: 128 (04/18/08 08:22:37) |
Rambo123UK wrote:
A troll? Your a bigot. Your a nice guy until someone questions evolution then you turn into a fucking hypocrite. Maybe they made this movie about you. I think its ironic that you attack me for commenting on a movie that is about the intolerance of Darwinism. Ironic indeed. |
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Posts: 640 (04/18/08 09:03:07) No, I won't just shut up! |
http://www.sciam.com/article.cfm?id=six-things-ben-stein-doesnt-want-you-to-know
For the record, I believe that evolution is almost certainly true and I support it being taught in public schools. That being the case, I hope NOT to get any hate posts relating to the idea I am about to post.I hope you don't either, AU. I also hope you don't consider the refutations to be "hate" posts. However, the NCSE's stated objective is to defend the teaching of evolution in public schools. I would expect them to have a negative bias toward any idea that doesn't fit very neatly into their position - which may not be completely defined in the web site (www.ncseweb.org).You should probably understand that the NCSE's position is derived from their research; not solely from their determination to defend the teaching of evolution in public schools. The ideas that don't fit into their position are such because they just don't make sense. Really! It is not clear at this point (at least to me) whether or not this movie is calling for the teaching of evolution to be abandoned in public schools.Possibly not overtly, although I have serious doubts that's not the ultimate objective. What it does indirectly defend is the acceptance of a non-scientific, unsupported alternative to the theory (and I use that in the scientific sense as opposed to the idea that it was something grabbed out of thin air with no regard for method) based on some kind of intuitive, magical-thought based, untestable notion, the only function of which seems to be to shove a plug into a collective god-shaped mental hole. The idea of teaching both positions in science classes is absurd. I.D. is. Not. Science. I just don't know how to emphasize that enough. That being said, the science community has a history of debunking untenable ideas regardless of their positions on the theological Belief-O-Meter or how dearly the contrary is regarded. It's one of the reasons science is credited with reliability. If there's ever any testable evidence of a supernatural intervening deity, I promise you rational minds will be compelled to accept it. We have already decided to spend time at Starbucks discussing it afterward. (Now we just need to determine a date!)Sounds like fun. Enjoy! Mac
"It is a mistake to think you can solve any major problems just with potatoes."~ Douglas Adams
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Posts: 129 (04/18/08 09:42:34) |
I.D. is. Not. Science. I just don't know how to emphasize that enough.
Is that the same as saying that the existence of God (any God) is not a scientific question? Just curious. |
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