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Now quit whining and go get Doohickey to confirm my word for you.

Or just get Daddy to pay for Doohickey's time, since obviously you're either (a) too stinking lazy to get off your fat arse to confirm what I've been telling you (just like all the other atheists who refuse to do the 54 Day Rosary Irresistable Novena Petition), or (b) you're just on Doohickey's wrong side (just like you're on the wrong side of most everybody else from the evidence of your sig) and you need a third party (Big Bad Attorney Daddy) to pay for the copious exposures of your rampant fallacies.

Or has Doohickey, just like Vamp complains, simply lost his IT touch and hasn't been keeping up with all the changes in ISP revelations? Left-wing sloth and gluttony does that to a character, so has the IT business evolved beyond the capacities of Doohickey's skills and talents and *THAT'S* why you can't confirm what I'm telling you?

God help the woman who comes under his bulk of *his* hatred.

Let me quote Fr. Corapi for you, regarding the crisis of which you speak, priestly "paedophilia":

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Much of the crisis in the Church was predictable for YEARS. And you may say, Yeah, because they left those men in . . . NO! Thats merely the effect! The underlying cause, for years, we allowed bad theology to be taught in seminaries and Catholic universities. Immoral theology was often taught. Now, what happens when you continually compromise the Truth? The average priest was beaten into submission. Oh, dont talk about that! Dont talk about artificial contraception! Dont talk about homosexuality! Dont talk about abortion! Dont talk about morally difficult issues. Dont confront the problems head on. Dont rock the boat! Dont cause problems! What happens to father? He loses grace. He falls from favor with God. Temptation comes . . . and he fails.

He falls into the mud. And it wasnt all his fault, either. He had plenty of help along the way. From the seminary on . . . You have no idea what a major miracle it is that priests like [Fr. Corapi] are where he is, doing what he does. Oh, man, that he could have run the gauntlet is impossible. Only God got the good priests through. Thats number one, the priest *has* to preach the Truth. In season, out of season, convenient or inconvenient, accepted or rejected, hes gotta do it.

A large number of men applying to the seminary, for MANY years, were called in to the chancellery office and quizzed by a committee, often having members who were radical feminists religious. And they would ask, Are you in favor of womens ordination? And he said, Honestly, well, no! The pope says we cant do that. REJECTED. The vocation director in a diocese Fr. Corapi went to said, The bishop WILL NOT ordain a man who is not in favor of womens ordination!! That bishop is still in office, still there. The bishop WILL NOT ordain you! And so, whether they believed it or not, they succumbed to the pressure.

As the ranchers in Montana say, If you soak in a tub of manure long enough, you come out smelling funny.

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Hence the state of the Church today.

But, never forget, the Church on earth is not the Church Triumphant, that ones in heaven. The Church on earth is the Church Militant, and where theres war, theres wounded and killed. The Cross, in other words. No pain, no gain. No cross, no glory.

Its that simple.

Now, as for Alexander VI, sure there are sinners in the Church! What did you expect, perfection on earth? No, the Church has MEN in leadership and as servants. Look at me! Look at yourself! Who's "perfect"? No one, but God.

Otherwise, why the Sacrament of Reconciliation, Confession?? If we were perfect, why would we need *that*?? The premise is ridiculous, obviously, don't you agree, that the Church can be anything less than battered and beaten and assaulted from within and without. Just read AA-1025 (Amazon.com) if you want to see the history of atheism's attempts to destroy it, and where much of today's problems also have their genesis.

are REALLY obvious about it.

Remember, I was in show business and they were in my face DAILY.

I've met numerous gay priests, many of whom were child molesters and a few of whom seemed to be able to almost keep their homosexual passions in complete check. I've seen it all along the way since the 1970's when I first became familiar with the Church.

Then I was a complete pagan worldling, a sinner who found being "politically correct" pragmatically practical toward my own hedonistic ends. So they didn't bother me then.

Now, having heard the voice of hell which God has promised me will be mine unless I convert and pray, fast and do penance, I have a much different viewpoint, as you well know.

So, I must disagree with your assertion that "How can you know that anyone in the RC church, right up to the top of the tree, is a straight shooter - and if you can't, given the facts of the matter - then what does that mean for your own personal relationships with the other members of your church?"

What it means ultimately is that those who are without sin must cast the first stone. As much as I am incensed by the incredible damage and imposition of monetary sanctions against none other than the congregations who support the church with their alms and sacrifical giving which is the result of all this radical feminist religious direction of the seminary councils, it's just one more thing we have to deal with.

The point is, we already know who wins the battle. Now we just have to go through the fight.

There are some who definitely disagree with me. Very intelligent people, too. Take a look at this:

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Pfau used to attend St. Joseph Church near his home on Seattle's Capitol Hill. But at one point, "I just said: 'I can't go into a Catholic church any more.'

"Thousands of kids have been sexually abused by priests. That caused me to question the faith I grew up in. It caused me to withdraw from it."

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Here, a very intelligent attorney can't see the fact that his catechism taught him this is the CHURCH MILITANT and that there will be INCREDIBLE battles to be fought, a narrow path to tread, and few there are who will find it. He ignores the historic strategic truths of Fifth Column infiltration of the forces of evil which will desperatly seek to destroy the institution from the inside out.

This is a vivid, profound and heinous battle which the Church is in. Up against rampant Liberalism, hedonism, materialism and all the rampant vices propogated by the modern media through all its rampant channels, and being eaten away from the inside by villians in priestly garb seeking a free ride and all the young booty they can consume, what is the end result hoped for?

Simply this: the destruction of the priesthood so there is no valid Eucharist and the souls of the faithful will never receive the heavenly nourishment so utterly necessary for final salvation [John 6].

Isn't that profound?? Isn't it amazing how well the evil one's scheme is progressing, if viewed in *that* light?

I *KNOW* a faggot when I see one. I can pick them out unerringly.

And I also know that life demands prudence, but also that I will be called before God to account for my witness.

Now, again, read your own words and see if you can't answer your own question. I'll give you a hint at the end:

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Shut the fuck up then! You keep telling us you're a big old sinner, after all.

Or - why not actually address the matter before you [???] and tell us how you can trust anyone in your church, since you can't tell who might be a member of this 'fifth column ' you keep going on about.

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Which imperative shall I obey, master? Do you want me to STFU or reanswer for yet a third time what already was in the earlier post?